Tell me Again Why You’re an Atheist
While browsing some atheist sites to find yet another instance of atheist absurdity, I came across this from the American Atheists site:
There is no proof of the existence of god.
First of all, what kind of proof are you looking for? What kind of proof will convince you? As we have already pointed out, logic alone makes it impossible to agree on a standard of proof. As my colleague, Mr. Lytle, said, “We must assume a touchstone, else we would get nowhere.” That touchstone, of course, is God. But atheists deny God. So when they say, “There is no proof of the existence of god,” they are saying nothing; there is no standard to judge any proof. Using logic tricks such as this, they attempt to force the theist into an impossible mission. Not only is atheism arrogant, but also fraudulent.
But, so what? So what if the theist cannot prove his claim? That does not make the negative claim true. Besides, if one claims that something does not exist, or even merely doubts its existence the doubter must give a reason for his doubt. So far, the atheists have not given a reason why God might not exist. Let’s see if they can give us a reason.
There is no need of, or use for, a god.
I could say this is a matter of personal opinion. But as I have explained above, and here, there is a need for God.
A good god would be useless if it were not powerful.
Is there any other kind of god but a powerful God? St. Anselm said,
What are you, then, Lord God, you than whom nothing greater can be thought? What are you but that which exists alone over all things, and has made everything else out of nothing? For whatever is not that, is something less than can be thought; but this cannot be thought about you. Then what good can be lacking to the highest good, through whom all other good exists? So you are just, true, blessed, and whatever it is better to be than not to be. For it is better to be just than unjust, blessed than not blessed.
The Proslogion, Chapter 5
A powerful god would not deserve worship if he were not good.
There is no all-powerful good god; otherwise there would be no imperfection.
If this is the best world god can make, the stories of Heaven must be lies.
I’m going to group these together, because they all attempt to make the same point: if God is good and all-powerful, why is there evil? Wouldn’t God simply destroy evil? The problem with the Problem of Evil is that it assumes God isn’t doing anything about evil. The growth of the Church (which atheists oppose) and the expansion of ideas such as “love your neighbor” since the founding of the Christian movement show that God is fighting against evil. As Christians, we believe evil, brought about by human corruption, will soon be destroyed:
“Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.” (Rev. 21:3&4 - NASB)
History shows that godism is accompanied by ignorance and superstition.
Actually, since atheist logic is useless in discovering Truth (which I have already shown), atheists should be careful about calling theists “ignorant.” As for superstition, I haven’t found a verse in the Bible that says “if you don’t walk under ladders, you’ll get to Heaven.” Maybe I missed it...
There has never been such intolerance and persecution as godists have practiced.
Really? (See also here, here, and here) Look, we can go on all day, each side pointing the finger at the other, but the fact is, evil and intolerance are human problems, not religious problems.
Godism had to be fought when humankind made its successive steps toward science, liberty, and reform.
So, when Thomas Jefferson penned the words, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness,” that was Liberty fighting against godism? Notice how Jefferson says “We hold these truths to be self-evident.” In other words, there is no need to prove these truths. Jefferson was thinking about the touchstone that my colleague Mr. Lytle talked about earlier.
And once again, considering the failures of atheist logic, one must question whether we can use it to make any “steps toward science, liberty, and reform.”
Godism was invented in the earliest days of mankind's ignorance. It is incredible that primitive humans guessed wrongly about everything else, but discovered the truth about the origin of life.
The first problem with this statement should be glaring. It assumes that the generations who came before us “guessed wrongly about everything else.” This is a case of what C.S. Lewis called “chronological snobbery.” It is the belief that those of us living today are better and more enlightened than those who came before us. This near techno-topia that atheists love to praise is only possible because of the works of the generations that have come before us. As Newton ( one of those old, ignorant theists) said, “If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants.”
Everything about which science has discovered the origin was claimed previously to have been the work of a god. Godism recedes when a new fact is discovered. No new discovery ever supports a theistic explanation of anything.
Well, let’s talk about the origin of all origins: the creation of the universe. Science once denied that the universe had a beginning. Like the Epicureans of the Classical age, science said the universe was eternal. We now know this to be false. Ever since Edwin Hubble noticed the redshift, we have known that the universe has a beginning, confirming the Bible’s words (“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth). So now, science must struggle to find a way to explain how all this matter was created from nothing, without bringing God into the equation. It will be fun to watch them try to wriggle around this one. Score a big one for theism.
All revelation proves, on investigation, to be human, and generally fraudulent.
That’s a rather sweeping claim. The atheists just posted this as a statement of positions, I’m sure, so I don’t expect them to provide proof of this claim on this page, if any proof can be found, that is (see above). However, I would challenge any atheist out there to prove (again, if proof even exists) that “all revelation proves (there’s that word again), on investigation, to be human, and generally fraudulent.”
Godism is consistent with crime, cruelty, envy, hatred, malice, and uncharitableness
It’s really sad when they start repeating claims that have already been shown to be false.
I can’t speak for all religions and theists, but I will quote Christ, “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matt. 22:39), and “treat people the same way you want them to treat you.” (Matt. 7:12) These are rules for Christian living. Any man who claims to be a Christian, but does not follow these commandments, is only a liar.
So, tell me again why you’re an atheist.
–J.E. Heath
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2 Comments:
First, I'm an atheist, and I say you make some good calls. But we all believe what we believe, and while there is no proof that God doesn't exist, Christians are Christians, and while there is no proof that God exists, atheists are atheists.
The atheist and theist are both at a loss with evidence. The theist can bring evidence from books and good experiences and such (you can think of something; I wouldn’t know) and while they hold some good morals, that isn't enough to convince an already convinced atheist. And an atheist can bring logic and science, and like you said, does not convince a devote Christian. Indeed, what kind of proof are both sides looking for? Both arguments to me sound good, so long as religion/atheism isn't misused.
But people are people, and we are all ignorant, knowing, cruel, and loving, despite religion. Love your neighbor, indeed. At least the world is more tolerant these days.
Thank you for your comment.
I want first to ask you, if you agree that atheists and Christians are both at a loss for evidence, then why do you stick with atheism? I admit that I have no proof that God exists that would be acceptable to an atheist. But I also admit that I am not concerned with proof. I do not base my world view on proof. My point is that logic and physical evidence will not bring us to Truth, and I love Truth more than logic. So, my lack of physical proof does not affect my faith.
But, atheists are concerned with proof. Atheists do base their world view on proof. That’s the whole point of atheism–there is no reason to believe a claim unless there is proof to back up the claim. That is all fine and good, if we were talking about anything other than God. But, when it comes to God, logic falls flat. God, by definition, is unknowable. Logic is no help in discovering Truth. You apparently agree, so why stick with logic? Isn’t Truth more important than a strict commitment to logic?
Now you may ask, if we abandon logic, how do we keep from believing in just anything? Why should we accept Christianity and not Norse paganism, or radical Islam?
Allow me to kill two birds with one stone by answering this question and responding to another point you made. You said that theists offer evidence for their opinion from “books and good experiences and such”. I must correct you. I do not offer evidence from books or good experiences. I do not offer any evidence at all. I have no evidence to give. My faith is just that, a faith. It is not a hypothesis, or theory, or even an opinion. I have not come to Christ on my own. I have not been convinced by argument, or reason. I did not consider the evidence before me and then come to the conclusion that Christ is Lord. I would never flatter myself in that way. I did not walk to Christ. Christ walked to me. Actually, he ran to me (Luke 15:20).
How do we know that Christ is Lord and not Allah or Odin? Because Christ runs to us. Allah does not run to us. Odin does not run to us. Atheism certainly does not run to us.
I do not ask that you accept my words here. Rather, I pray that you would stop seeking proof. Admit that you do not and cannot know Truth on your own. Admit that your way is not the best way, or even a good way. You say that we are all loving and knowing despite religion. No, we are not. We do not have a choice between good and evil, between knowledge and ignorance. We are evil and ignorant without Christ. “There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.” (Proverbs 16:25)
Our only salvation comes when we stop putting ourselves ahead of God; when we, like the prodigal son, admit that we tried things our way, and it wasn’t good. So we decide to return to our Father, hoping that we can be his servant. But while we are still a long way off, he runs to us and welcomes us, not as a slave, but as his long lost child. Only Christ does that, and that is why we know He is Truth.
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