Austin Cline and Johnny Hart
I normally don't respond to other blogs directly, since, quite frankly, blogs don't really mean much in modern life, and one scarcely-read blog commenting on another scarcely-read blog is rather silly. I usually save my comments for subjects that are worth the time and effort. I will make an exception.
Austin Cline has recently commented on Johnny Hart's B.C. comic strip, particularly one on evolution. It was a fairly funny strip, I thought. Hart’s poetry has some awkward rhymes, but overall it’s good entertainment.
Of course, Mr. Cline’s complaint is that Hart is making fun of evolution here. the trouble is that his criticism of this comic makes some missteps. I might instead use one of Mr. Cline's favorite words: fallacies.
FALLACY #1: That B.C. is "a platform for his religious bigotry." Huh. Now not subscribing to Evolution is "bigotry"? Mr. Cline might want to look that word up, especially since Johnny Hart only expressed a point of view; it is Mr. Cline who is making personal attacks. Or at least come up with some real examples of bigotry in B.C. Otherwise, this is just name-calling. Oh, I won't even bring up when Mr. Cline calls Hart an "ignoramus" for simply, apparently, being a Christian. That is the only conclusion we can draw, since Mr. Cline gives no other reason for the label.
FALLACY #2: Saying that Hart called Darwin a "preacher" to call Evolution a religion. No, Hart called Darwin a preacher because, well, Darwin was a preacher. To be honest, that's not entirely fair. He did study to become a clergyman (at his father's request) and did graduate from Christ's College at Cambridge. To my knowledge, he did not ever actually become a full-fledged "preacher," but it is clear that Hart was referring to this fact, and not some grand conspiracy as Mr. Cline would have us believe.
FALLACY #3: Saying that Hart was wrong for putting "theory" in quotation marks. Hart was "putting the word theory in scare quotes as if evolution weren't a 'real' theory." The fallacy here is obvious. Evolution is not a real theory, it is a hypothesis or model. The reason is simple. In the scientific method (and we are dealing with science here, and so these are the terms we must use), a hypothesis is made, and that hypothesis may become a model if it is known to have at least some validity. If a hypothesis is proven through controlled experiments, it then, and only then, becomes a theory. Gravity is a theory because it has been observed countless times in controlled environments.
Evolution, obviously, cannot be recreated in a controlled environment. It can therefore never truly be a scientific theory.
Wow, four paragraphs and at least three fallacies. Considering that one paragraph simply says, "PZ Myers links to a recent comic in which Johnny Hart demonstrates his credentials as a creationist and an ignoramus", I think that rate is remarkable. He calls Johnny Hart an "ignoramus," but in these four paragraphs he has proven that he knows little if anything at all about Charles Darwin and doesn't even understand the difference between a scientific theory and a hypothesis. Hart, meanwhile, has done nothing wrong but had the audacity to satirize Evolution.
I'm not certain that Mr. Cline is qualified to start calling people names.
-Paul Lytle, Primum Mobile Magazine
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A comment from PZ Myers:
1. Hart is an ignoramus for his misrepresentation of
evolutionary theory, and a bigot for his history of Christian bias.
Cline was correct, you are wrong.
2. As even you admit, Darwin was never a "preacher". Cline was
correct, you are wrong.
3. Your mangling of the scientific concept of a theory is appalling.
Evolution is a theory. It has been tested with controlled experiments,
it has been observed in natural and controlled environments, and it has
been confirmed to such a degree that we now find it ludicrous that
people object to it...especially when they do so with made-up "facts"
like "Evolution, obviously, cannot be recreated in a controlled
environment." Cline was correct, you are wrong.
Your conclusion is particularly ironic. If anyone has shown a lack of
understanding, it's you.
--
PZ Myers, Ph.D.
Division of Science & Math
University of Minnesota, Morris
Morris, MN 56267
1. How has he misrepresented evolutionary theory? This particular comic satirical, but hardly makes scientific claims. If you are merely referring to the line about making "monkeys of you and me," then you are misrepresenting satire as ignorance. If there are other examples, put them on the table. I certainly haven't read every B.C. published, and you might be right. My problem with Cline's post and your reply to my own is that you start calling Hart names without backing them up.
As far as him being "a bigot for his history of Christian bias," you'll have to do better. If simply holding to a set of beliefs makes you a bigot, then you are just as much one as me. If it is believing in Christianity that makes someone a bigot, then you have the definition wrong. If there is something substantial that makes you call Johnny Hart a bigot, put it on the table, but don't make ad hominem attacks.
2. Cline claimed that Hart was claiming that Evolution is a religion. It doesn't matter if Darwin actually became a preacher or not; it is obvious that Hart was referring to Darwin's religious training. If you actually read my post, that was my complaint. If Cline had said, "Darwin never fully became a preacher, so Hart is wrong," I might have thought he was being a bit picky, but left it alone. My post in this matter was about Cline's ignorance of Charles Darwin's life.
3. Wow, Evolution has been recreated in a control environment? That's amazing, since the experiment would have taken millions of years.
The scientific method says nothing to the "truth" of an idea, just to the degree it has been proven. Simply because it is a hypothesis does not mean it is untrue, it simply means that it is impossible to recreate so that other scientists can test it. Adaptation can be tested. Mutation can be tested. But not Evolution.
Once again, I was replying directly to Mr. Cline, who had a problem that Hart put the word "theory" in quotations, as though it was not a real theory. My point had nothing to do with the truthfulness of Evolution, but simply that it is not a theory.
Look, if we want to argue Evolution, let's have at it. This post had nothing to do with that. My problem with Cline's post was that his criticism of Johnny Hart was littered with logical blunders, name-calling, and lack of understanding.
Quite frankly, when you consider a statement like "Evolution, obviously, cannot be recreated in a controlled environment" to be a "made-up 'fact'," it makes me concerned over your bias also. We can discuss the issue like adults; there is no need to attack perfectly obvious statements like that.
-Paul Lytle
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